Kline falls short on holiday charity

To the editor:

A guest column from U.S. Rep. John Kline exhorts us to give donations to a military association that distributes toys. A more meaningful act of holiday charity would be to support programs endangered by the fiscal cliff that help keep low-income people out of poverty. The deficit-reduction initiative he supports comes at exactly the wrong season to keep low-income Minnesotans employed and able to survive.

Deficit hawks like Kline would like us to cut food stamps and unemployment benefits and restrict tax credits that benefit low-income families. He hasn’t said anything about reducing the generous tax deductions that benefit the top 2 percent of upper-income Americans, who pay a lower rate of tax than the rest of us. That might endanger the hefty campaign contributions these wealthy folks give their friends in Congress.

True generosity in a season of giving should include those who most need it first.

BETTY FEDDE
Eagan

  • David Schultz

    Ms. Fedde, seems to think that giving away OTHER people’s money is charity. It is not, it is theft. Representative Kline is asking us to give freely of our own money to a charity. Ms. Fedde is asking our government to use force to take away from one group to give to another, or going into further debt so to take away resources from future generations to satisfy the current. There is no such thing as forced benevolence!

    • wageslave

      One person owns a home.

      Another rents.

      Is the first person stealing, under the force of government, from the second via the mortgage interest deduction?

      Is taxation theft?

      • Jan Dobson

        Is the second person taking advantage of Minnesota’s Renter’s Property Tax Refund Program?

        http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/ss/ssrptrp.pdf

        • wageslave

          The mortgage interest deduction is a federal income tax advantage. The Minnesota renters credit is a state program based on personal income and the share of property tax paid by the individual renter.

          If the second person qualifies for and claims the Minnesota renters credit, is that person stealing from those who receive the federal tax advantage? Of course not.

          One cannot equate the two. There is no direct relationship. But, if you want to press the point, I can pretty much assure you the federally advantaged taxpayer will get more back than the state-credited renter.

          When I rented I ran the numbers, but even on a salary I consider modest (well under 50K at the time) I made too much to qualify for the renters credit.

          Now I own, and i get the federal tax break.

          Everyone knows tax codes have winners and losers.

          So, again:

          Is taxation theft?

          Surely you realize I was referring to the federal mortgage interest deduction.

          So, again: Are those many citizens who take advantage of that guilty of stealing from others?

          And since you’ve brought it up, are Minnesota renters who qualify for the rebate — which is proscribed in statute — stealing?

          • wageslave

            Sorry — please disregard the last three paragraphs. I was cutting and pasting.

  • taxpayer28

    I second that sentiment. I wonder how may folks out there realize that they are communists.

    • Jan Dobson

      Hey, taxpayer28. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

      Reading your comment set off a Jeff Foxworthian style “You might be a Communist if…” comedy routine inside my head. The humor is admittedly ironic but the possibilities are—sadly—endless.

  • Jan Dobson

    The “military association that distributes toys” to which Ms. Fedde so disparagingly refers is actually the time honored Toys for Tots program.

    Good Grief Grinch!

    Toys for Tots exemplifies kind hearted private sector compassion. Ms. Fredd’s proposed alternative exemplifies coercive Big Gov compulsion.

  • Rosie from Rosemount

    I would like to note an oddity: Ironwood Electronics, Ms. Fedde’s company, is an electronic parts supplier. Oddly, the military is a big purchaser of those types of parts. I wonder if the military will contiue to buy from those who are so anti-military?

    • Jan Dobson

      Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Rosie. Kudos on some good old fashioned investigative reporting. Very enlightening, indeed.

      • Rosie from Rosemount

        Jan, a very Merry Christmas and a New Year of Blessings to you and your family.

  • TheLip

    Can someone confirm if the military is a current customer of Ironwood?

    • Rosie from Rosemount

      Here is a bio from an Ironwood Exec. I think this clearly answers whether Ironwood is a government and military/DoD contractor, as the bio indicates GSA contract and identifies Ironwood as a manufacturer of devices used by the US DoD/military. There is a LOT more public ionfo on the Internet which is easy to fined. Mike Fedde is President, and an FEC filing shows Betty Fedde as employee.

      Business Development Mgr.

      Ironwood Electronics

      IE manufacturers custom interconnect devices used within: semiconductor, medical devices, telecommunications, and Dept of Defense. Challenged with a multi-faceted role responsible for project management, account growth strategies, generating marketing campaigns, eBusiness strategies, develop role as sub-contractor to GSA Primes, and developing relationships with valued business partners,
      • Gained national distribution with Avnet, one of the largest distributors of electromechanical components.
      • Helped grow the company’s largest client, increasing sales from $600k to $1mm+
      • Directed strategies for eBusiness and email marketing, along with marketing budget
      • Developed an RFQ confirmation process providing ongoing status to clients
      • Developed strategies for growing MN revenue from 47th to 10th place within commercial and government sector

      • Rosie from Rosemount

        FIND, not FINED!!! (I can hardly wait for the kids to go back to school!) UGH!

  • RollieB

    “A more meaningful act of holiday charity would be to support programs endangered by the fiscal cliff that help keep low-income people out of poverty.” I certainly agree with this statement by Ms Fedde. And I agree with her sentiments that Kline lacks compassion regarding those in need — cutting programs for low-income folk while protecting the high-income oligarchy seems backwards to me.

    • Jan Dobson

      Isn’t the Toys for Tots program designed to help kids that you and Ms. Fedde label “low income people?”

      Voluntary generosity is shining jewel of true humanity.

      A government that coerces “generosity” is the definition of tyranny.

  • TheLip

    Thank you RFR, very well researched and excellent follow up. One would hope that the US military would not base their choice of supplier for anything on a letter from an employee that shows up in a local fish wrapper but on the manufacturer’s quality and performance of their product and service.
    Thanks again for the time and effort on the follow up, it is appreciated.

    • Rosie from Rosemount

      As a follow-up. Betty Fedde is listed as Ironwood’s CFO. WOW!

  • TAXPAYER28

    If you wish to “help” low income folks, try freedom on for size. our one party system (rino republicans & democrats) game the tax system to favor their cronies. Since Kline has capitulated to this system I would love to see him unseated. but not for another communist the likes of McCollum, Ellison or Walz. I love how the communist think the force of government should be use to confiscate property from one citizen (steal, theft, swindle) keep half of it and then with all sorts of strings attached, hand out the goodies to buy votes of these freeloaders.
    Its to bad the country is lost and the new world order will be forced upon us like it or not.

  • RollieB

    Some conservatives dispare over some progressive wins after the last elections. It seems to have driven them over the cliff. They see communists where there are none, twist words to attack a free enterprise, capitalist, local company for selling to the DOD… evidently their world has been turned upside-down. Too bad, really — I’m very optimistic about our country.

    • TAXPAYER28

      good luck with that

  • TAXPAYER28

    If you wonder why some of us see communist where there are none, take the time to research a study done in 1963 by the US Congress. (http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
    Its kind of shocking to realize how much has been accomplished on their list.

  • wageslave

    Taxpayer:

    I’d be interested to hear how Kline has “capitulated to this system.” I could guess, but you said it, so I’d like to hear you explain it.

    Also, please explain the “new world order,” how it will be “forced upon us,” and what we might do to stop that.

    • TAXPAYER28

      two words: TARP & Patriot Act

      • TAXPAYER28

        Kline votes to discriminate against wealth producers in fiscal cliff deal. One more real reason to oppose the rino.
        Until all share in the burden of funding our gov’t. equally, and all share in the benefit of our gov’t equally there will be little hope of getting spending under control.
        Too many games being played, to many special exemptions for this or that group.
        Would have been nice to see someone debating real reforms. Herman Cains 9-9-9 proposal would have been interesting to see put out by the GOP.

        • Jan Dobson

          Herman Cain is great. The hatchet job done on him was really quite a shame. I expect we’ll hear from him again, though.

  • Paul Hoffinger

    I’m intrigued by the sentiments above about “enforced” charity for low-income people, at the hands of government. The loopholes, credits and deductions in our tax laws that allow top income earners to pay most of their taxes under capital gains at a low 15 percent, is an area of “enforced” charity toward the rich. Where is the concern about that kind of favoritism?

    Economists tell us that kind of unnecessary charity hurts our economy and isn’t producing jobs as much as keeping low-income earners out of poverty would. Rather than railing about how bad it is to give a hand-up to these low-income people, let’s hear about the damage done by coddling millionaires with preferential tax treatment. How many jobs are we really producing, and how much does it really benefit our economy to take care of these wealthy, supposed “job-producers”?

    • Rosie from Rosemount

      So, Mr. Hoffinger, you are willing to maintain a lower tax rate for those who do not get a substantial portion of their income from dividends, capital gains and related instruments? This is a pretty simple yes or no answer, and I await your answer.

  • wageslave

    By the way, that was hardly a “study done in 1963 by the U.S. Congress,” Taxpayer,. It was someone’s paranoid, religious treatise read by a MEMBER of the U.S. Congress.

    Just be honest in your arguments.

  • taxpayer28

    It is in the congressional record. How about the finding of the study? are any of the pionts made by it relevant?

  • wageslave

    Of course it’s in the Congressional Record. That doesn’t make it a “study done in 1963 by the U.S; Congress.”

    It was someone’s paranoid, religious treatise read by a MEMBER of the U.S. Congress.

    I’m not sure how TARP and the Patriot Act constitute a “new world order.” They are U.S. laws.

    • taxpayer28

      The study was comissioned by congress, just because it’s on a websight you don’t like doesn’t make it less valid, they only are using the us congressional records to substantiate their findings. take a look at the study and tell me that political parties, unions and educational institution have not been moved to this idiology.
      just look at the comunist party planks and that of the DFL here in Minnesota, comrad

      • RollieB

        This list is NOT from a congressional study. It’s from a 1958 book titled, “The Naked Communist.” by W. Cleon Skousen.

        Sorry, tp28, wrong again.

        • TAXPAYER28

          look it up
          Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record––Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

  • wageslave

    Rollie, it’s a “study” — now, “commissioned by congress” — by Taxpayer’s reckoning.

    That is an upping of the ante from Taxpayer’s previous posts.

    I guess this is how myths are built.

    Glenn Beck rocks.

    • TAXPAYER28

      look it up, Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record––Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

    • Jan Dobson

      wageslave:

      Call it a study. Call in an excerpt. Call it whatever you like. The document at http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm is part of the Congressional Record of 1963. It outlines specific calculated strategies for advancing Communism. I urge readers who haven’t already taken a look to do so. Make sure you’re sitting down, though. It’s chilling to the point of weakening one’s knees. If you have the stomach for it, check off items on the manifesto that have already been accomplished and those that are now being overtly promoted.

      Items 40 and 41 were particularly stomach-churning to me:

      40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

      41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

      Dear God, help us.

      • TAXPAYER28

        FINALY SOME ACTUALLY READS IT. If this would have been a verbal discussion wage slave would have gone to the filibuster.
        He tries the age old ad hominem attack, discredit the messenger but god forbid dare not look at the issue. One would think he were a member of the communist party. I lived it, my father was a card carrying communist party member since the time of FDR. He worked to promote this crap in the teamsters union he belonged to, as well as the DFL. I know this may be anecdotal but I vehemently oppose this on moral grounds. I witness the distructive phylosophy, the bitterness, envy, and when you don’t get your way the violence.
        I hope people get their heads out of the sand before its to late.

      • wageslave

        Of course, I never did call it a study. You know that. It was called a study of the U.S. Congress by Taxpayer28. You know that.

        I called him or her on that. You know that.

        How tolerant you are of someone with whom you generally agree passing off propaganda as a “study” of the “U.S. Congress.”

        Surely you’d demand higher standards of those with whom you generally DISAGREE.

        • Jan Dobson

          Okay, okay, wageslave. Calm down now. You’ve gotten yourself caught in an irrelevant maelstrom of semantic trivia. I’m not interested in joining you. However, in an effort to help you extricate yourself, how about we switch focus to the CONTENT of the document found at:

          http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

          –The document outlines a strategy for Communist takeover of the United States.
          –History of the last half century demonstrates that so many of the items listed in that document have been accomplished.
          –So many of the items in that document are currently being relentlessly promoted.
          –The United States today is teetering on the brink of both economic collapse and cultural collapse.

          Let’s allow readers to have a look at the document at:

          http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

          and then decide for themselves. Do you object to letting people decide for themselves?

          By the way, attempting to malign the integrity of my personal tolerance for the attitudes of others has no affect whatsoever on the CONTENT of the document found at:

          http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

          Attempting to malign the integrity of my personal tolerance for the attitudes of others serves only to deflect meaningful discussion and encourage destructive emotion. Again by the way, encouraging destructive emotion is an essential element to accomplishing the goals outlined in the document at:

          http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

          To clarify, an example of encouraging destructive emotion would be an American president urging American citizens to vote for revenge.

          I encourage all those reading this thread to examine the document in question and then to decide for themselves. To do so, click on:

          http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

  • RollieB

    For those who like to read, read this:
    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/spring/fringe-mormon-group-makes-myths-with-glenn-becks-help
    It’s all about Willard Cleon Skousen, the source of tp28′s Communist Goals.

    • Rosie from Rosemount

      Rollie, I read the whole article even though the very first paragraph was full of, well, “it.” Mormons do not drink coffee. That pretty much set the tone for the rest of the article” fiction not fact. Again, don’t believe everything you read on the Internet! HA!

      • RollieB

        If that’s your only takeaway from that piece, Rosie, well, have a great day.

        • Rosie from Rosemount

          Rollie, I am making a comment regarding the credibility of the content. That one sentence regarding coffee lends substance that the article is the product of the author’s imagination. Think about it, or do you dare? HA!

          • Jan Dobson

            There was an old TV sitcom called “Laverne and Shirley.” It was about these two Milwaukee roommates who both worked in the same brewery. The very likable gals had two goofball neighbors, Lenny and Squiggy. The show was strictly low impact escapism entertainment, but it did come off with a few good lines. Well, at least one good line. It was delivered by either Lenny or Squiggy.

            Presented with a question and being ask to “think about it” Lenny/Squiggy indignantly replied, “Think about it? THINK about it? With WHAT?”

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