A look in the mirror

To the editor:

The world’s reaction to the Newtown, Conn., murders is educational, showing that the world believes that Americans are succeeding in the race to the bottom, with our attitudes and laws.

The German Süddeutsche Zeitung points out that for Americans “the possession of weapons is a cultural singularity.” The Italian La Repubblica writes “The American god of arms is insatiable,” and The Guardian wonders if Americans use guns to satisfy some inferiority complex, and Americans are more prone to mental illness and violence.

The fact that another mass shooting has occurred is not any more shocking than the last massacre was, or the next one.

In Great Britain The Economist cites 39 fatal injuries in 2008-2009, following a ban on guns.

The USA sustained 12,000 gun fatalities in the same period.

Even Australia with its frontier spirit and history, implemented strict and usable gun controls.

Americans must like the mayhem we inflict on ourselves. Petitioning the “government” and sending letters to our “leaders” is absurd. We have found the enemy – and it is us. We buy the butchering tools and we enjoy using them.

Replacing U.S. Rep. John Kline who feeds this monstrosity with someone moderate and compassionate would signal our will to move toward sanity. The alternative is to continue to believe in the present madness, and in those who promote that culture.

We pay the piper with the lives of our children and with everything that we treasure.

Joe Niedermayr
Lakeville

  • TAXPAYER28

    Unfortunately the race to unarm the citizens was predictable with the election results favoring the Statist leftist. All the pap about how gun ownership in the USA always fails to point out that the most restricted areas in terms of gun laws are the place the most likely to have a crime.
    Connecticut has some of the most restrictive laws on the books.
    Chicago has some of the most restrictive laws on the books.
    Washington DC has some of the most restrictive laws on the books.
    Las Angles has some of the most restrictive laws on the books.
    They all have serious gun violence.
    Texas has the most freedom in regards to fire arms and, aside from Mexican drug cartels using fire arms supplied but Eric Holder and the corrupt Administration of the Chicago mafia, have the least gun violence.
    It is only a matter of time before the communist running the government confiscate the citizens weapons, how else will they implement totalitarian control.
    When the dollar collapses they will institute martial law and usher in the new world order.
    Its over Johnny get used to being a slave.

    • Rosemount Resident

      That is the most delusional and paranoid post I have read here. Keep the tin foil hat handy.

    • Michele

      Hm. Well, I’m against automatic weapons being sold to the citizens, but honestly, much as I love Europe, I really could give a rat’s behind what they think about us.

      As to the rights to bear arms, my feelings are this: People have the right to have pets. We would never take that away. But we would think twice about having the right to have tigers. It’s not that we doubt our neighbors’ intentions, it’s that we’re not sure that our neighbors could CONTROL the tigers, who might eat our children.

      Same with automatic weapons.

  • Al Morrison

    It bothers me when people choose to use statistics in articles like Joe does in his article because they clearly use whatever data fits there agenda, in this case 2008-2009, why choose 2008-2009? What he doesn’t show use is that since the gun ban laws went into effect in Great Britain (1968 & 1997) there has been a steady increase in fatalities since the bans. Check out the charts on this site.
    (Cited http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvacci.html)

    This Country needs to stop making decisions based on feelings, emotions and paid agendas and start using the common sense approach and search for the root cause. Instead of attacking the obvious, (Guns kill people so we must remove guns) start thinking about why these people kill people, once you think in these terms you can start fixing the problem. We have a society that is dominated to the entertainment industry, movies, TV shows and video games that are laced with killings and violence, it’s a cancer that has sucked in to many people.

    I went to the movie “Jack Reacher” this weekend, what a mistake that was…Joe, this movies is rated PG-13, stop and think about this, kids as young as 13 years old see this movie. It starts with a sniper randomly killing 5 people walking in the park, people laying in pools of blood. By the end of the movie there must have been over 50 killings, this is what our children are watching and then match that with the opportunity to actually shoot people in video games at home, what do we expect? Are we that stupid?

    The bottom line Joe, when society dumbs down killings through movies, video games, abortion and TV this slowly becomes the “norm” with some people, not everyone, but some and those are the people that go over the edge and do the senseless killings. If they don’t have access to guns they will just use something else, knives, cars, planes, propane tanks…killing is what we’ve programmed them to do.

    I hope that your passion for saving people by banning guns also includes banning cars and alcohol because these things kill just as many innocent people as guns do.

    Put some thought into it not just feelings.

    • Jan Dobson

      Thanks for the good post, Al. It was interesting for a lot of reasons.

      Regarding statistics: You hit the nail on the head. A couple of epochs ago I learned a life lesson from my high school debate coach. You can prove ANYTHING—including apposing sides of the same argument—with statistics.

      Regarding using emotion to cloud cause and effect: Right you are! We are conditioned from infancy to be governed by emotion. TV commercials, wholeheartedly welcomed into our living rooms everyday, are classic offenders. No matter what is being sold, inserting a few seconds of playful kittens and romping puppies generates enough “aw, for cute” emotion to guarantee a successful ad campaign.

      Regarding violence in movies, video games and on TV: You’re right again. Some weeks ago I saw a trailer for the much-hyped PG rated holiday movie, “Parental Guidance.” One of the highlighted scenes was a kid whacking Billy Crystal in the groin with a baseball bat. That’s entertainment? That’s humor? That’s supposed to make a person want to pay to see the movie? Factor in the sub message of disrespect for men and their role in procreating the species and it gets even creepier.

      I would add that a half century ago most new parents bought into the idea that making a home and rearing children weren’t all that important. Certainly not as important as working outside the home. It’s heartbreaking to say, but I fear that today’s American children have been abandoned on their own doorsteps.

  • Jan Dobson

    A few requests, Joe:

    1. Will you please keep your habitual mea culpa rants in the first person?
    –WE do not give you permission to arbitrarily assign nonspecific guilt to all Americans.
    –WE do not give you permission to arbitrarily assign nonspecific guilt to the idea of America.
    –WE do not give you permission to portray being American as an original sin.

    2. Will you please update your talking points? “It’s society’s fault” is a tired old
    liberal publicity campaign leftover from the sixties and seventies.

    3. Will you please consider moving to Germany, Italy, Australia or GB? You clearly crave external validation for your anti-American feelings from citizens of those countries. Surely you will feel more at home in a place where you are among politically kindred spirits.

    • RollieB

      Who appointed Jan the “Comment Czar?” Self-appointed I guess.

      Happy New Year Everyone!

      • TAXPAYER28

        what/ Are only union hacks allowed to comment?

        • RollieB

          Sorry TP28, never been a member of a union in my life.

  • Al Morrison
  • wageslave

    “3. Will you please consider moving to Germany, Italy, Australia or GB? You clearly crave external validation for your anti-American feelings from citizens of those countries. Surely you will feel more at home in a place where you are among politically kindred spirits.”

    I don’t recall all of your past admonitions for message-board conduct. There have been many.

    I wonder whether asking a local resident and message-board poster to consider leaving the country, because the poster draws comparisons with other countries, uncomfortably toes the line.

    I wonder also whether whether you have any idea where that poster would feel most at home. You imply so. Fairly? Knowledgeably?

    • Jan Dobson

      wageslave:
      The noncommittal vagueness of your posting leaves me with questions. Would you please clarify so that we readers are not forced to infer what you really mean?

      1. “I don’t recall all of your past admonitions for message-board conduct. There have been many.”
      Would you please provide links to what you consider to be “past admonitions?” Then, based on fact rather than anecdotal and imprecise personal recollection, you will allow readers to decide for themselves.

      2. “…uncomfortably toes the line.”
      “Line?” Uh, what “line” would that be, exactly? Would you please clarify?

      3. My only clue to how Mr. Niedermayr feels about anything is his disjointed posting. It has only one crystal clear point; he has utter disdain for America and Americans. Don’t you suppose that he might be happier in a political state that he respects? I don’t know if he is an American, but if he is, don’t you suppose that a person who so publicly wears Americanism like a hair shirt might be wise to consider relocation? Sucking up the considerable benefits of living in America while badmouthing our dear country could be construed by some as hypocritical.

      • wageslave

        My comments stand.

        • Jan Dobson

          What do your comments stand FOR, wageslave? Ambiguity? Engineered inferences? Hinted at but unsubstantiated accusations? How can one’s comments stand when no stand has been taken?

  • Jan Dobson

    Michelle:

    1. Are you under the mistaken impression that there are no laws currently on the books for strictly controlling ownership of tigers and other exotic animals? For your own piece of mind you might want to check it out.

    2. Wild cougars “might eat our children.” Do you advocate systematic extinction of wild cougars for the sake of children’s safety?

    3. Are you under the mistaken impression that there are no laws currently on the books for controlling gun ownership?

    4. Murder, mass or otherwise, is a crime in all states. Mass murderers are criminals. They break laws; they don’t respect for them. Are you under the mistaken impression that criminals will not—and do not now—break any and all laws, including those regarding guns? Laws restricting gun ownership only work to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens.

    5. What is the usual motivation given for inciting the deadly violence of mass shootings? It’s the destructive, negative emotion of revenge. As per Al’s suggestion, let’s take a look at what’s happening in America to make people feel so emotional, so vengeful. Let’s explore what is provoking them to act on negative emotion rather than reasonableness.

  • TAXPAYER28

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    I guess not so any more

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